Dali review, what new tracks are there for Web3 | AMA text record
Original title: "Dali Web3 Review, DWeb and Web3 Relationship, Web3 New Track Concern - Biteye Anniversary Web3 Week AMA Text Record"
Original compilation: Xiaomoji, Jesse, Crush
Welcome to Biteye's new week of Space, the theme of our Space this week is "Web3 The present and the future", we invited the founders of many projects to participate in our AMA.
*The full text is about 8000 words, and the expected reading time is 15 minutes
Host:
Teddy, Biteye Co-Founder
Thomas, BlockBeats Executive Editor
Guest:
Jackson, 0xScope Founder< /p>
Mike, GoPlus Founder
Sharqwy, Warcat Summer Preparation Team
Usagi, RSS3 Co-Founder
Wilson, Cyberconnect CEO< /p>
Yisi Liu, Mask Network CTO
*Names are in alphabetical order
1. What problem does Web3 solve? (Question from Teddy)
Wilson:Essentially from a blockchain perspective, the first The problem to be solved is the underlying Ownership problem. Users can own the same assets on the Internet through blockchain technology. Although it is only a virtual asset, its importance is no less than that of physical assets, because many things in the real world are also virtual, and they also have intellectual property rights.
The second point is to facilitate the collaboration between people, and then there are simpler organizations Mutual trust and various cooperation. Essentially, Web3 solves both problems.
The third point is that the future of social networking may be user-centered. Starting from the user's account system, the user will With ownership, users go to various places to make applications. In applications and websites, this right should belong to users themselves, not software developers. A big difference between Web2 and Web3 is that the data will be returned to users, so The commonality of data will be very important.
Mike: To understand Web3 from a formal perspective, everyone may understand it differently. I personally think that its core logic is actually because the production tools have become online, and the value accumulation generated online is getting bigger and bigger. What Web3 solves is a production relationship problem, and what it optimizes is actually the production relationship.
All the Web3 applications you see now are actually developed on the path of optimizing production relations, and individuals have property rights to data , can protect their own value.
The current contract layer is actually how users can participate in the process of value creation after they have data assets. How to use some technical means in this process, and then distribute it fairly and transparently, the first is to measure the value of everyone's contribution, and the second is to allow everyone to be motivated.
I think the overall direction is to optimize the online-based method to optimize the existing production relationship and improve production efficiency.
Yisi Liu: To add some of Wilson's arguments, he just mentioned users and social networking, such as WeChat, in fact, when a user registers a WeChat account or registers any account, the registration behavior must be passed Developer's server agrees.
This also means that the user has no way to really own this account, and even if the registration is successful, just like Twitter can arbitrarily block any account, Users don't really have any sense of security about their accounts.
User data can be seized by these large companies or centralized companies, which is actually what practitioners have been working on It is hoped that these digital identities of users can truly return to the hands of users themselves, and they can have 100% ownership.
Because the data must be linked to a certain identity, solve the identity problem, and then think about the data problem, After solving the problem of data, we can really solve the problem of user privacy.
Another mention is this kind of digital asset security. I personally feel that more and more Web3 users will Blockchain wallet address as their identity.
But in the future, I personally think that everyone will separate this identity from assets, or at least find a better way to manage it , instead of putting everything in the same wallet.
If we all rely on this digital identity, this identity can represent you, for example, if you sign your name, it can represent Your private key is actually what needs to be protected more in this industry.
So we also hope that through our efforts, users can roam and surf in the Web3 world more safely.
Jackson: One of the great things about Web3 is the combination, everyone may share the same identity layer. For example, all the applications on Ethereum can be combined with each other, and can play a greater value in many scenarios. After all, web 2 applications are isolated from each other.
Although there are certain risks, I personally think that in the long run, the value that this composability can bring will be greater than this risk.
The current stage has entered a stage where the liquidity is relatively attenuated, and the market sentiment is not very good. It may also be because there is no such new narrative, and there is no new momentum.
It may also be because we have not built the infrastructure well enough, and then we may not be able to stimulate more in this market Nice ability for this trend to build it up.
I think that in the next period of time, if the industry can try its best to maximize the combinable value of data If it is incisive and vivid, it can also promote the generation of new momentum.
2. What is the relationship between Deweb and Web3? What's the difference? (Questions from Teddy)
Yisi Liu:Dweb This is a project that officially started in 2016 global movement. The founder felt that it was very meaningful to hold this kind of conference, because he felt that this kind of decentralized technology is actually not just the blockchain, nor just Web3.
Decentralized technology has always been , He wants to gather such developers from all over the world and people who are doing decentralized technology to conduct research and development together, so there is this movement.
In fact, whether it is Web3 or dweb, I personally think that it is more like a noun of this kind of slogan. These activities or all these movements are trying to make the user's experience when using the Internet better, so there is no difference.
In fact, the blockchain itself can also be counted in the category of dweb, but it represents another group of people. In fact, the big Some of these projects do not actually have an economic system, and more may be projects similar to open source communities on Github.
3. What are the main challenges in the current development of Web3? (Question from Teddy)
Mike: Personally, I think the main challenge for Web3 is to create value. Different Web3 directions, such as DeFi, its value is relatively straightforward. Based on the contract layer, users can use their own assets to create income under the protection of production tools.
It reduces friction, makes the cost of establishing trust in the entire transaction lower, and establishes a financial system for the future blueprint.
But in addition to DeFi, and in the main development directions of NFT or Gamefi, in fact, the current way of creation is personal Think not clear.
For example, Socialfi should be to explore the value of relationships, but now it is to translate the value of relationships, and finally give you some rewards, using the DeFi method Rewarding users, these methods actually do not work in their respective categories.
The entire Web3 has come to the present, and the next step may be to consider how to enable more creators to get more In terms of value, there are still different sales channels and better subscriptions. We must be able to find the value points based on Web3 in the production of original content, distribution of content, and use of content, so that Web3 can go smoothly.
It is very clear that Web3 is facing policy and technical challenges, but these more clear things can actually be solved. The goals are also relatively clear. These can all be solved, but perhaps the biggest challenge lies in what value Web3 creates in different directions.
For example, doing GameFi can create greater value for the original game crowd, or create a better experience, I think this may is the main challenge of Web3. It may be difficult to say in other Web3 directions that the same model can be followed, and it may be faced with value innovation and some new ways to improve value efficiency in different directions.
Usagi:In the current situation of the overall market, many users will become more rational, even It will shrink back, so in fact, to a large extent, it is how to make traditional Web2 users smoothly lead to Web3, or let Web3 users improve the entire user experience.
Because I have contacted many developers and terminal creators, their overall Web3 experience is very bad, and except for limited In addition to the economic value of the creator or the developer’s own sensory experience, in fact, do some thinking in this regard, how to make the creator’s experience better in the true sense, I think this is the practitioners of the entire Web3 A question that requires more thought now.
At this time, especially when the market is not good and everyone shrinks back, the real meaning What needs to be changed in the future is actually everyone's experience. I think there will be a more original motivation to participate in this movement.
Jackson:Maybe because the entire industry is relatively early, and the various standards in the entire industry are It is very lacking, which leads to the fact that in the entire industry, those who do data may need to identify different tokens and different protocols. At the same time, improving the data quality of the product, or going deeper into the research, also requires more labor.
So I actually saw a lot of new Web2 big factory colleagues, or their friends want to join Web3 There is always a feeling of a tiger descending the mountain.
Starting a business in Web3, there may be a lot of experience accumulated in Web2 that can be used, but in fact, when you really go deep into this line, you will find that There are so many places to catch up. Then everyone spent a lot of energy to sort out some particularly out-of-order things.
In the future, I also hope to help some project parties and organizations to help users, so that they can organize these particularly disordered data. Classify the data, and then based on our data, we can derive some other types of various things.
4. What new tracks are worth paying attention to in Web3? (Thomas question)
Wilson:I think the GameFi game must be a very interesting track , In the next few years, there should be many fun and asset-rich games. I personally think that social networking is also a huge track, but you may not be particularly clear about how social networking will come out.
I think the form of socialization is possible It's related to two things. One is identity, because the things provided by Web3 will increase the dimension of people's identity. And this identity belongs to oneself, so it has more versatility and more dimensions, which may be very different from Web2 social networking.
In addition, it may be related to monetization. The type of content in social networking is still strongly related to monetization, so I am more optimistic.
Mike: Personally, the first thing is to be optimistic about safety. In fact, as the entire Web3 moves forward, if the application layer develops faster and faster, of course there must be fluctuations in this process, so I think security is an issue that everyone may find difficult to ignore.
But the current status quo, in fact, everyone has seen it. Maybe only one in a thousand people can use 99.9% of this secure resource, but the remaining ninety-nine out of a thousand people are basically running naked.
In fact, in the entire Web3 market, the first thing is that the technology itself changes rapidly, and in fact it puts forward higher requirements for security . On the one hand, it is the development of security technology itself, and on the other hand, it is the rational allocation of resources in the security industry.
So everyone can see this mismatch between the supply and demand sides, or the low efficiency of the structure, which leads to the current Web3 has few security resources and uses them inefficiently.
In this case, in fact, the entire industry is structured, the entire supply and demand sides are structured on the demand side, and then the supply side is structured , can more efficiently match the entire supply and demand sides, I think it can alleviate the problem of insufficient security resources that the entire industry is facing now.
In this way, in fact, more excellent security entrepreneurs of this kind can play a role in different positions.
Another one, in fact, I think it is necessary to briefly talk about the mechanism, because I think that if the whole Web3 is going forward, In fact, the efficiency of the bottom layer needs to be further improved.
In the storage layer now, for example AR These projects that are working on the storage layer actually have a lot of room for optimization.
For the computing layer, the entire computing layer, such as distributed computing, is actually not that mature yet. It may also be a good direction to go up. For example, some new ideas will come out at the contract layer, resulting in different programming languages and different implementation methods.
Based on my understanding of the application layer, if the infrastructure is a direction we are very optimistic about, such as NFT, GameFi , I think there is enough space for enough entrepreneurs to play.
5. As an ordinary user, how to participate in the Web3 wave? (Thomas question)
Yisi Liu: I think you can try the blockchain application , To feel the application of blockchain and Web3 should be the best way for ordinary people.
Usagi: In fact, entering Web3 or starting to experience the entire Web3 wave is often an opportunity.
I have met many friends. In fact, my love for NFT at the beginning is that he likes artists, or he himself will watch some That kind of art work, and then found that this work is a work he likes, you can do things you like or you are passionate about, and then it is easier to find a group of people who share the same hobbies as you.
They will have their own community and meet offline. The scene that drives this kind of social interaction offline will also be particularly interesting. Because in the current bear market, it is often better to experience some interesting things in the entire industry more slowly, I think.
There will not be too much financial burden on the individual, relatively speaking, you will really slowly understand the whole What the industry is doing and what it wants to do in the future.
Jackson: I think the core still has to be trial and error first, trial and error, the depth of your participation And the power may be much better than before. Perhaps for most ordinary people, the motivation to enter Web3 may still come from investment, which will bring some economic benefits.
For example, most users who come in through NFT, their mentality and ideas may be the same as those who come in because of Bitcoin or Ethereum It’s different, but in essence, everyone still expects to make money. I think you can come in with the idea of making money, and there will be no difference compared with those who come in with idealistic ideas. normal.
So since we all come in with this idea of making money, we can hold this idea of hoping to make money, Then go try some different projects.
If you haven’t made up your mind to come in, just spend some money, then buy some NFT or interact with some contracts The project, in fact, should bring very good benefits in the future.
6. Which aspect may appear will be very attractive to Web3 users, making them want to enter Web3 application? (Audience question)
Jackson: In the long run, the concept of Web3 culture is actually a Web3 A killing trick, if social applications can make better use of this so-called cultural concept, and then bring together people with the same hobbies and interests, then such a new social application, I think it is still very cool and dazzling, Then it can attract a lot of attention.
In the short term, it is more inclined to financial attributes. The relationship between market conditions and this product design is essentially Because of the emergence of this new financial-related game that is particularly convenient for de-leveraging, there is such a driving force for the bull market.
In addition, you may not have seen this kind of dapp before, and a new narrative structure has been established to promote A new bull market will emerge. I think that in the next bull market, it may be that this kind of gameplay with strong financial attributes will attract users, which may be socialfi or Gamefi.
7. Is there any difference in technology between Web3 and Web2? (Audience question)
Mike: There must be a difference in the number one, but it is from the algorithm level In itself, I think Web2 and Web3 have the same origin in terms of algorithm references.
I think the biggest difference here is actually the object the algorithm targets. Yes, and these goals themselves are actually scattered and fragmented, each with its own data system, and there is no way to integrate them into a large data bottom layer for the time being.
In terms of Web3, the technology itself and the algorithm itself may be interlinked, but the objects and data it targets are deposited in the big Inside the common layer, and then the data is integrated together.
I understand that this difference is not the difference in the privacy technology itself, but the result of the final privacy technology processing. The result of the data is In what way to use it, I think the main difference is.
8. What is the origin of the Dali Web3 Conference? How is it organized? What is the final effect? (Thomas question)
Sharqwy: Last year, someone had an idea to engage in a Web3 activity, And this year, some people talked about whether there are so many Web3 people coming, whether to hold a party.
But the scope of the conversation was limited to some youth communities in Dali. In the youth community, gradually began to have more friends who are doing Web3.
There are some such in Dali For the digital nomad group, starting from June, we can feel that more and more friends are going there from various places. Many people think that they should go to a place with good weather, delicious food, and good network to work remotely. Anyway, the work of Web3 The method is also relatively free.
Probably since then, I can feel that Dali has begun to gather more and more friends from the Web3 industry, so I want to Have a party like this.
In the process of discussing how to do it, more and more people joined, including friends from different DAOs and organizations friends, and some friends who have held conferences, they shared some experiences with us, and directly contributed some resources.
This resource includes how to find money, how to find people, what projects will come to Dali for team building recently, in the process , The preparatory team also gradually expanded from two or three people from the local youth community to thirty or forty people. In the end, the preparatory team for the conference may have close to 100 people.
Everyone is either a person in Dali, or a person in the circle, willing to contribute their own strength to help find money Or find someone or prepare for a conference or do some specific affairs.
Due to the co-construction effect, it spreads very fast. Because this matter is related to me, I have a part in it. They invite their friends, project parties they are familiar with, or their capital friends to make donations, so they spread the scale and reputation.
Actually we are sorting out a more general meeting experience, because we hope that more people will want to do it in the future Such a decentralized dinner conference can have some experience for reference, and we are now sorting out such a document.
But this process is basically relying on a group of people to generate electricity with love, gather resources, actively spread, and then make this matter bigger, And it became what it is today.
The last form has changed from the one or two hundred people we originally envisioned to the scale of thousands of people.
We have made a plan before, if there are some project declarations or force majeure reasons, how will we The conference is decentralized, turning the entire ancient city of Dali into our venue, so that all managers and project parties can freely choose their favorite restaurants, bars, cafes, or tents on the Erhai Sea in the ancient city The place will organize this activity by itself.
So in the end, everyone who came to the conference should realize that it is organized in a very decentralized way. I think this is also very suitable for Web3 The spirit is that when you put the right people in the right form and content, in fact, it is not the most important thing, and everyone will naturally push the matter forward in their favorite way, so in the end it did happen like this.
9. As the organizer, through this conference, do you have any new understanding of Web3? (Question from Teddy)
Sharqwy: The first is that I have stayed in Dali for a while and feel that Dali A very magical place indeed. I have been away from Shanghai for a long time and stayed in Dali for a long time, so I visited basically all the cities in Yunnan.
But if you end up as a digital nomad Dali still has a culture, a community, and a circle, and I especially hope that Web3 can be linked with Dali.
Some friends in Singapore and Dubai have a more comfortable environment, which China has never had. If there is, I think Dali might be the most suitable one, so I said at the time that if this thing can be done, it should be a very cool thing.
Secondly, the build atmosphere in Dali is also a process of gradual change. In the first two months after I came here, I came into contact with more local traders. Maybe they have their own small community, including foreigners and Chinese.
They meet every two weeks, and then everyone will chat about the latest projects, the latest market and so on. Later, because the people who came here changed, and there were some people who actually worked on the project, everyone started talking about the project itself or the thing itself.
There are such successful examples all over the world, which is the precedent of successfully launching products through offline participation in conferences, such as The SXSW South by Southwest conference in the United States has successfully launched Internet products such as Twitter, foursqaure and spotify.
So we think that if we can also hold such an event , can gather excellent domestic projects, so the exposure, cooperation and release of the projects are very helpful, but I thought it might be that other cities do not have such an atmosphere.
And no one thought of doing it from this angle, because if this thing can be done, it must be done by A meeting organized by the community. Because the community can be more open, without too many stakes, and often can come up with some unexpected ideas and ideas.
We also felt the same way during the process of organizing this meeting. We have probably recruited two rounds of volunteers. Anyone can join the working group, or contribute Power is either providing resources or coming up with ideas. But these co-constructors actually became staff members on the one hand and communicators on the other hand because of their direct participation in the process.
This process is very similar to the formation and operation process of a DAO. From the perspective of members’ feedback, it is also very similar to the establishment of a DAO We also encountered various problems including efficiency, decision-making mechanism, and incentive mechanism.
Its good side, of course, is that it gathers more power, these powers are you through the traditional company system, through the employment relationship, There is no way to obtain it directly through the contract. We haven't even discussed at all how to motivate and how to record credit.
When these are not clear, everyone feels that this matter can be successful and is willing to come in and contribute. This is my A situation noticed.
Of course, the other side of it is that the efficiency of organization and discussion will be affected, because everyone can initiate topics, and the screening of topics And preparation is also a relatively centralized process. Therefore, until the first two weeks of the conference, how many themes, what agendas, and who will be in charge have not yet been decided.
Because no one can make decisions for others, you can say that you can or can't, then this matter will change It becomes very difficult to control the progress.
But after complete decentralization, we don’t need an organization like the conference organizing committee or content planning team to Decide on each topic.
If you can do it, he can't do it. Design, and then recruit participants by yourself, and the final effect, I think, may be much better than doing it in a centralized way.
This preparatory process is quite similar to the work and collaboration process of a DAO.
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